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Wheezer's Blog
Topic: Obama's Fault
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fiogf49gjkf0d Of course... The conspiracy theories claim that 911 was all planned by the American government and the Muslims were set up as a scapegoat. They even have actual photos that show explosions bringing down the towers and a "missile" hitting the Pentagon.
In other words... Yes... Obama is to blame.
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fiogf49gjkf0d Awww.... You told him! I wanted to have a little fun with him... making him worry about who this Emi person was. (Just kidding.)
Wheezer... At least I have you comparing them to mad dogs!
[Insert customary Monty Python gags here:]
You don't frighten us... pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you.... ....I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.... ...now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.
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fiogf49gjkf0d Emi is DJ Particle. She became moderator last year. But both the site owner, Captain Wayne (who I'm not - I'm just a retired guy who helps with the site) and I also have moderator control over the site. I just use it more because I'm here more. Though it usually involves nothing more than swatting the odd Chinese spammer.
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Wheezer:
Who's Emi? And, yeah, if you guys (and gals) want us to stop discussing it, no prob. Just say the word. And Stavro, are you the Captain? I'm asking because I figured by now he'd pop in or drop me a line and say thanks for signing up. I mean, he invited me eh? But yeah....if you guys don't like my blog, I'm good with that. Peace 'n love man!
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fiogf49gjkf0d I think it's winding down anyway.
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fiogf49gjkf0d Blogs can be about anything and as long as it doesn't turn nasty, it's ok, but...
If this had been on the main forum, I would have stopped it before it got started.
Emi can decide for herself when this discussion becomes too intense and do what she wants then.
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Bob Guest:
I am, however, wondering how long it will go before our moderator says, "enough".
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fiogf49gjkf0d I have a digital copy of the Koran on my hard drive... Every chance I get, I delete a copy of it. Does that make me bad?
You imply that the people who reacted to the Koran burning were completely justified? However, you have no fear of reprisals over what you said about Christianity, because you know very well that Christians don't work that way... Double standards are not allowed... The real murderers are the people and terrorists who kill in the name of Islam.
I'm neither enjoying nor pissed off about this thread... I am, however, wondering how long it will go before our moderator says, "enough".
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fiogf49gjkf0d I understand what you said, I just didn't agree. The reason I said there was no comparison is because there is nothing in the Bible that gives priests the right to molest boys, but the Qur'an commands Muslims to kill those who aren't Muslim... in their thinking, Christians and Jews.
If Terry Jones had of carried out his plan, he would not have been responsible for the pain and suffering death of others... It would have been the fault of the Muslim terrorists who carried out their threat. It is absolutely wrong to pass the blame for the actions of one group to another.
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fiogf49gjkf0d I suppose we're all entitled to our opinions... Dave, you only cited one source before, so I can only go with what I have. Naturally, you'd consider my sources tainted as well... but that's where opposing world views raise their ugly heads.
The last thing I'll say on the subject is to simply seek out and watch the video (available online... but the YouTube version is cut into smaller pieces), "Islam: What The West Needs To Know". It's about an hour and a half long, but covers what I said in detail with interviews with various experts... including a former Muslim & PLO terrorist.
Wheezer... I'm not saying what Terry Jones did was right or wrong, but it was incredibly stupid. But think for a minutes... The Muslim world vowed violent repercussions if he followed through with his Koran burning. Did their response agree with my arguments about the nature of Islam or those of the media and U.S. government?
You also have not given any indication as to why you think I'm wrong about what I said about your connection of Muslim terrorists to pedo priests, Nazis, rapists and whores. I never said anything about approving of what they do... In fact, it's just as bad... but it is not the same thing as terrorism.
Go ahead and write the song... Comedy can be lots of fun when the audience knows it's not based on actual facts.
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fiogf49gjkf0d I am going to respectfully disagree with you and leave it at that. . .and much of my education on the subject is not from my college which you suggest is a tainted source.
and I know I'm not butting in--this is posted in a public forum as opposed to email, text message, or at a private dinner table where others opinions are not allowed to be expressed. . .but thanks for reminding me
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Bob Guest:
In Arabic, the word "jihad" literally means "struggle" or "fight". The definition you quote is quite simply the watered down term Muslims use in their propoganda to the West. But aside from that, to a Muslim, "striving in the way of God" is to advance the spread of Islam... in whatever way necessary. Advancing Islam has, throughout history, almost always included military conquest... and now it includes terrorism.
The Qur'an did not actually exist in written form until almost 600 years after Mohammed's death. One thing that would naturally accompany his alleged poverty at the time he lived would be illiteracy.
As I stated before, a polytheistic religion did exist in Arabia hundreds of years before Mohammed. "Allah" was the name of a deity dedicated to the moon. Mohammed simply modified the familiar to accomplish his goals.
I say there is no comparison to pedo priests simply because there is no instruction in the Bible allowing priests to engage in such behaviour. The Qur'an, on the other hand, does actually command the outright slaughter of Christians and Jews. In spite of what our politically correct politicians, media, and education systems may have you believe, that is the honest truth.
As in any war, you must know your enemy before you engage him. We will lose the war on terror if we refuse to properly identify the enemy.
BTW... You weren't butting in.
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fiogf49gjkf0d In Arabic, the word "jihad" literally means "struggle" or "fight". The definition you quote is quite simply the watered down term Muslims use in their propoganda to the West. But aside from that, to a Muslim, "striving in the way of God" is to advance the spread of Islam... in whatever way necessary. Advancing Islam has, throughout history, almost always included military conquest... and now it includes terrorism.
The Qur'an did not actually exist in written form until almost 600 years after Mohammed's death. One thing that would naturally accompany his alleged poverty at the time he lived would be illiteracy.
As I stated before, a polytheistic religion did exist in Arabia hundreds of years before Mohammed. "Allah" was the name of a deity dedicated to the moon. Mohammed simply modified the familiar to accomplish his goals.
I say there is no comparison to pedo priests simply because there is no instruction in the Bible allowing priests to engage in such behaviour. The Qur'an, on the other hand, does actually command the outright slaughter of Christians and Jews. In spite of what our politically correct politicians, media, and education systems may have you believe, that is the honest truth.
As in any war, you must know your enemy before you engage him. We will lose the war on terror if we refuse to properly identify the enemy.
BTW... You weren't butting in.
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fiogf49gjkf0d The actual interpretation of Jihad amount to "striving in the way of God". . .it is a struggle to follow God's intended ways, it has nothing to do with terrorism. Using it as an excuse for terrorism is done by extremists. Also Mohammed was a very poor person who is credited with the writing of the Qur'an. My "religions of the world" class strongly disagrees that the Muslim religion existed for 'hundreds of years' before Mohammed came along, in fact, it credits Mohammed with the creation of the Muslim religion. The Qur'an is believed to be the verbatim words of God as revealed to Mohammed. I'm not sure where the information you have came from, but I'm speaking from my education on the subject. . .and as such I have to say I agree with the comparison to pedo priests etc. There are many non-Catholics who demonize the Catholic priesthood by saying they are all pedophiles in much the same style many people demonize all Muslims. . .I'm not trying to but in, simply providing background information. . .I am a very open minded person. . .just stating what I know from past.
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Bob Guest:
There was another video that demonstrated my point more directly about Obama's claim to Islam... I just couldn't find it at the time, so I settled for second best. Perhaps next time I'll use my bookmarks.
The point I was making though was not anything to do with what his religion actually is, but rather that he plays both sides at once. It matters little to me what he actually is, but I can say quite definitely that he isn't Christian.
Regarding your last paragraph....
Historical (yet misunderstood) fact was that Mohammed was not a religious reformer, but he was a political opportunist. The religion that we now know as Islam existed for hundreds of years before Mohammed as a polytheistic Arabian tribal religion. Mohammed simply made modifications to fulfil his goals... and the agressive, superstitious nature of the society he lived in at the time made it easy to do that. But his goal was simply political control. Statements he made to appeal to the supertitious nature of the Arab people of his day are applied today to justify Islamic Jihad... They became a core part of the religion. Muslims who do not follow such teachings (and there are many) are simply Muslim in name only. Those who believe and practice the religion are the ones to watch out for... because the religion teaches that they must follow the rules of Jihad... which some Imam has interpreted to include terrorism. I make no attempt to "demonize" that religion, because it has already done a pretty good job of demonizing itself.
The connection to pedo priests, Nazis in Germany, rapists and whores is a comparison of apples and oranges.
If you wish to write a comedy song on the subject, then go ahead. Of course you realize that comedy is a matter of taste and you might find that some of your audience doesn't like that flavour... but that's just my opinion.
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fiogf49gjkf0d There was another video that demonstrated my point more directly about Obama's claim to Islam... I just couldn't find it at the time, so I settled for second best. Perhaps next time I'll use my bookmarks.
The point I was making though was not anything to do with what his religion actually is, but rather that he plays both sides at once. It matters little to me what he actually is, but I can say quite definitely that he isn't Christian.
Regarding your last paragraph....
Historical (yet misunderstood) fact was that Mohammed was not a religious reformer, but he was a political opportunist. The religion that we now know as Islam existed for hundreds of years before Mohammed as a polytheistic Arabian tribal religion. Mohammed simply made modifications to fulfil his goals... and the agressive, superstitious nature of the society he lived in at the time made it easy to do that. But his goal was simply political control. Statements he made to appeal to the supertitious nature of the Arab people of his day are applied today to justify Islamic Jihad... They became a core part of the religion. Muslims who do not follow such teachings (and there are many) are simply Muslim in name only. Those who believe and practice the religion are the ones to watch out for... because the religion teaches that they must follow the rules of Jihad... which some Imam has interpreted to include terrorism. I make no attempt to "demonize" that religion, because it has already done a pretty good job of demonizing itself.
The connection to pedo priests, Nazis in Germany, rapists and whores is a comparison of apples and oranges.
If you wish to write a comedy song on the subject, then go ahead. Of course you realize that comedy is a matter of taste and you might find that some of your audience doesn't like that flavour... but that's just my opinion.
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fiogf49gjkf0d I didn't say he was a Muslim... I just said that he changes sides depending on the situation.
A video that shows his dedication to Islam
youtu.be/tCAffMSWSzY
Here he can't decide what he is:
youtu.be/Auwe-aGF4Lo
Here he says he's a Christian:
youtu.be/0GFKqOf8EHQ
But here he makes anti-christian jokes which are popular among atheists... So he isn't a Christian:
youtu.be/L6RfZU0GIlY
Bottom line... regardless of what he believes, he should uphold the standard that goes with it. Obama has demonstrated in word and deed a tendancy toward Islam that not even an interview on Larry King can disprove.
At least you seem to believe that a link to Islam is a link to the terrorists... So I guess there's hope for you yet.
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fiogf49gjkf0d I don't think Obama would have set them up as scapegoats, because he is a Muslim... at least sometimes. It's hard to follow that one, because in one speech he says he's a muslim and in another one he says he's a christian. Either way, the conspiracy theory nuts like to point the finger at George W. Bush... But lets be honest here... Do you really think he was smart enough to pull that one off? At least he kept his lies consistent, which is more than Obama bin Lieing could accomplish.
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fiogf49gjkf0d "I saw a republican on TV saying the AAA downgrading was Obama's fault"
That was Glenn Beck; He's no Republican, he just 'plays one' on TV.
(Trying to play along here, but remember, I am an engineer... I have no sense of humor.)
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