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Census (Gay Version) 
By: Fur the Love of Mic
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Duration: 3:03 
Release Date: 4/18/2013 
Lyrics By: Max DeGroot and Bobby Thornbody (Max DeGroot) 
Music By: John Denver (Max DeGroot) 
Produced By: Max DeGroot (Max DeGroot) 
Released By: Max DeGroot (Max DeGroot) 
Published By: Max DeGroot (Max DeGroot) 
Licensing: CC (Max DeGroot) 
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DJ Particle   Offline  -  Moderator, Artist & D.J.  -  04-19-13 03:43 PM  -  11 years ago
I try to do release dates by when the song was first publicly available (either as a single, or on YouTube, or accessible on streaming services/podcasts like Dr. Demento, etc). So in this case, 4/18/13 would be correct.

However. that is based off of the assumption that I don't think the MarsCon performance got recorded. Mr. Tuesday only recorded the Logan Awards due to battery issues with his camera. If it was recorded by someone else and posted publicly, I don't know about it, and even then, I'd go by the date the video was *posted*, not the date it was recorded.

Another example: I performed "Fan Geek Girl" at MarsCon on 3/3, but I didn't make the song publicly available on the FuMP Sideshow until the next day, hence the release date of 3/4/13.
Max DeGroot   Offline  -  Artist  -  04-19-13 03:37 PM  -  11 years ago
No problem. All my stuff is CC anyway.
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  04-19-13 03:33 PM  -  11 years ago
Then I'll be more direct. Performance dates count. When they're CC, anyway. These days, it's going to end up on YouTube, in any case. The reason for this is if, theoretically, lots of fans saw the 2011 performance who are members here as well and then saw a later release date here, they might remember when they heard it first and go 'WTF?'. Conflict avoidance = good.

Though you'd better be CC when you parody or you'll hear from the RIAA and perhaps the lawyers of Denver's estate's publisher (Winter Hill Music). If you do this above board and are ASCAP or even PRS, things like this can happen -

Maybe it's an overreaction, but those RIAA guys are just looking for someone to sue, so be careful, ok?
Max DeGroot   Offline  -  Artist  -  04-19-13 08:27 AM  -  11 years ago
That doesn't, however, answer the question. JoCo's Thing a Week has release dates which correspond to when he released each one as an official recording, even though they were collected in a CD the following year. People had heard each of the official recordings before the CD.

The performances in 2011 and at Marscon this year were not official recordings.

So, when is the release date?
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  04-19-13 02:06 AM  -  11 years ago
Things that are CC can have release dates before official recordings. Best example...

JoCo's Thing a Week One has release dates all through Fall 2005 (as its album cover suggests), but that first album was released the following year. Because it was a 'thing a week'. The release dates stay faithful to the concept and go week by week.

'Teh internets' and downloads instead of CDs tend to blur release dates anyway. If you're one guy with a song, you can decide when it's released yourself and sell it whenever. That's part of the appeal of all this new media, but it has its disadvantages also.
Max DeGroot   Offline  -  Artist  -  04-18-13 10:49 PM  -  11 years ago
Need a clarification. This version was performed live on 10/14/2011 and again on 3/3/2013. There is no video record of the 2011 performance, but there is of the 2013. This, however, is the first official recording of this version. What is the release date?
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